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Thanks for the reponses guys, not exactly what I am after at this point but any advice is welcome. More want some real feedback on the chinese stuff from people that have owned them. I wouldn't own one myself, but as a kids first bike as long as they start easily, can get parts when they...

Bulldog, Murrumbateman, NSW I will update my avatar when I get a chance, limited access to net at the moment. Thanks for the info on posting pics I did go looking in FAQ but again didn't have much time.

Qa50 I have played around a bit with the QAs. This is one I have 99% complete. Just need to dig it out of storage and put the last finishing touches on it. They are pretty limited in what you can do with them they are a simple pushrod motor and any performance gains are hard to come by...

OK guys I am a bit out of touch with the amount of minis now available so need your expert advice. I am after a first bike for a 4 year old - Will consider OEM but probably looking more at the copies, reckon it needs to be Auto and relatively low seat height and prefer new. Looking at PW50...