nah they hold up for a little bit depense on what ya doin with or get it braced up if u think its gona bend a stock frame will hold up as good as a decent china frame
depense on what ya doin with it but a stock frame will hold up for a little while depense on what ya doin with it or if ya think ya gona bend it get it braced up a braced up stoka frame will last longa than most of the china frames